SYTYCD Top 6 Becomes SYTYCD Final 4 Discussion Thread
We’re down to the final 4. Was it another shocker with someone getting sent home early? Did Evan’s fans pull through for him again? Are we satisfied with the SYTYCD top 4? How does it compare to other seasons? What can we expect from the top 4 in the SYTYCD finale? Ok, I’m sure you know the questions to answer. Let’s hear your thoughts already!!
Jennifer and Mrs…I had to smile at the “correlation does not equal causation” reminder, because you are totally right. However, in this case, I don’t think the two scenarios (being partnered with Evan and going home) is QUITE as divorced as drowning vs. eating ice cream. I believe that Evan isn’t as strong in genres not his own – I don’t think anyone doubts that. Because these are all partner dances, though, his weakness brings down both dancers. So, people don’t really like the dance, but his very loyal fan base keeps him safe while his partner suffers. Therefore there is a logical reason for this to happen. That said, Evan’s only had two of his partners eliminated, and no one was surprised that Melissa left (although many are sad, including me!!) So, as satisfying as it is to blame Evan for Melissa and Janette leaving, I don’t really think it’s realistic.
Gabriel – was Vitolio highlighted during auditions or Vegas? I don’t remember. Anyway, my little theory isn’t totally foolproof…after I commented it, I remembered Tony, Phillip, Paris, and even Asuka were all highlighted relatively heavily before Top 20, and it didn’t seem to help them. Well, maybe it did help, but it doesn’t guarantee anything if you don’t produce the goods. So, nevermind. I guess maybe they were highlighted because the producers or editors or whatever just liked their stories. Another conspiracy theory bites the dust. Sigh.
John-
Ok but what about the whole Tranji thing? And I remember last season that it was down to Twitch and Joshua.
Stephanie, I can definitely see where you’re coming from! A prime example is with Janette. While I don’t think Evan was bad that week, both his numbers had underwhelming choreography, which, partnered with his less-than-amazing ability to do latin ballroom in that second routine… yeah, it brought Janette down a teensy bit. He had upped his game from when he’d performed the samba, but it still wasn’t HOT, and I am familiar enough with ballroom dancing to know that without a really stellar male lead, the dance sort of falters.
However! I still blame Janette’s fans for her going home, overall. If people were oh-so in love with her as they all claim to be, then why didn’t they vote? Evan stayed because people cared enough to pick up the phone and vote for him. Janette wasn’t as lucky. It’s as simple as that.
I don’t think Evan is the kiss of death at all. Randi went home because it is an especially strong year for girls and she was neither as memorable in personality or as strong a dancer as many of the other remaining girls. Janette was a tragedy, but I don’t think she went home because of Evan, she went home because they had the worst choreography of the week. There was no way Melissa was leaving after getting the big emotional piece, Kayla and Jason got that fantastic hip hop routine, and Brandon and Jeanine had the great pop routine. What did Janette and Evan have? An average jazz routine, and a latin dance. I don’t think it was the dancers in this case, they got screwed on choreography and I honestly think that both of them did the best that they could with what they were given.
Similarly, I think that unless Melissa got a stunning piece of choreography she was heading home. I believe that she still would have been heading home if she was partnered with Ade (again) or Brandon. Evan isn’t the one to blame here for his partners leaving.
While I certainly agree that he certainly isn’t always the strongest dancer in the field, I do take issue with people who say he can’t dance outside his own style at all. I thought his waltz with Kayla was beautiful, I never understood why the judges picked on him for his jive, and he’s clearly aced the contemporary and jazz pieces that he has been given. While I’m a fan, I do think Kayla or Jeanine should take it this year and I won’t be upset if Brandon wins either. Still, I wish people would stop exaggerating when it comes to Evan. He’s not a bad dancer in every style other than broadway, he just isn’t quite as strong as some of the other fantastically talented dancers.
I do not think its a girls year to win. To me Kayla has not grown at all, and Brandon has had to much behind him to even be like himself. Jeanine I did not like her at first but then when shs did her first solo I liked her, but now, I do not like her again. Hard to exlpain. I really hope Evan wins, I think next Wed. I will actually vote for once.
Yess, Jeanine FTW! I’m really glad for her.
Can I just say that, without getting all Uncle Nigel creepy, but Jeanine really looked the part in the girls’ group dance. I think I can understand Nigel’s being affected by her ‘special powers’. :B
Of course Evan is a good dancer. And I can see why a lot of people out there love him.. (His gentle cuteness, his personality, blablabla…), but seriously there… One week, ok. Another week, ok. Top 10, ok.. but all the way to the finale?! oO
Ade danced with ups and downs, but at least he wowed me a couple of times (his first solo, the breastcancer routine, even tonight’s hiphop routine,…). But Evan just does nothing to me. Even when he performed the broadway routine I just didn’t ‘feel’ it. There is absolutly no ‘edge’/power in his dancing (except for that one time in the top 3 men’s routine, I really liked him there).
Anyway, I guess we could go on and on about this, in the end, the program is based on people’s votes, and by now we all know Evan has got a huge fanbase.. I give him credits, the show wouldn’t have been the same without him, but it would be sad to see him win.
Top 4 I hoped for: Jeanine, Jeanette (but I’m ok with Kayla), Brandon (he ‘s amazingly good and deserves a spot in the finale, but there’s just something about him that I don’t like) and Ade.
Greetz!
Mrs, I agree with you about Janette and her previously quiet fans. Actually, I didn’t realize she had such a big following until she left the show. I don’t remember a lot of people talking about her…at least not like Evan or Brandon or even Melissa. I was surprised there was such a furor over her leaving; I felt like, “where did THAT come from?!” As with Will last year – ya gotta VOTE and not assume everyone thinks the same way you do!
Everyone is right about the routines from last year not having a edge during last night’s performance. I noticed the same thing when I saw the tour last year. I agree, I think it’s the competition aspect that was missing. It subtle, but noticeable. However, I have to say the intensity of the performance made this whole season look amateur by comparison. At the end of the door routine, Katee still looked pissed until she finally cracked a smile. Same with Mark and Chelsea. I do wish they released the performances from last year on blu-ray or dvd!
I miss Janette. She deserved to be in the final four. I hope Brandon or Kayla win as they are the best dancers by far of the ones who remain. Evan may have personality but I doubt choreographers in the future will hire him since he struggles with dancing styles that aren’t Broadway.
i miss janette too 🙁
the choreography this year has been tragic- not good at all.
go to youtube and look at pieces from season 2 and 3-they were FAR superior than this year.
stacey tookey is a great addition this season, but the other choreographers really failed for me.
it’s a shame.
can someone please explain melissa not doing hip hop?????
Melissa never got hip hop because she didn’t draw hip hop. Same reason jeanine got hip hop three or four times. Luck of the draw. The credits say that it’s all random.
People are crazy with the conspiracy theories. 🙂
I love when there are so many comments I can’t keep up. I still need to take a second and improve the comments so that there are pages of comments and that you can reply to people’s comments, but life’s been a little busy lately;-)
Anyway, I loved the routines from last season. I even loved that the suitcase came open. I thought it was a nice touch and certainly couldn’t have been choreographed. I also loved how Chelsie went from a ballroom number and then did a Hip Hop number. Showed what this show is really all about.
At the end of the day, I hope Evan wins so that the comments on this site complaining about it go through the roof;-) Just playing with you. I want Jeanine or Kayla to win. Either one would be fine for me.
Oh yes…Beth, what’s wrong with having a little tin foil on my head? There’s nothing wrong with a little conspiracy theory to brighten our day.
Now, I’ll admit that I am a little bit competitive. I love watching the stats for this site and knowing that lots of people are reading the content that’s created on this site. That said, I was completely jealous today of this video where my little White Lightning was giving a shout out to Trandrew: http://www.sytycdism.com/2009/07/video-kayla-loves-trandrew.html Major props to Trandrew and SYTYCDism.
Coffeycup:
lol great pics of Jeanine!
Seeing comments like: I think so and so will win, makes me worried about how this will turn out. Because it’s clear that the dancers are so strong, that the favorites are completely divided. Saying “i think they will win” doesn’t mean they will be voted for.
I somehow don’t predict record breaking votings for this season unless it’s for Evan or to battle against him. And it’s really strange to me that Evan is getting so many votes because I feel like there’s an overwhelming number that doesn’t feel like he should be there. I mean I think he deserves to be in the top 4 but I’ve never picked up my phone for him. He’s not my winner.
BUT! Aside from all these arguements, I think it’s time to just look forward to the finale. And people might seem disappointed that Melissa and Ade left, but there’s still one more show ahead.
I think routines I’m hoping for is Evan and Jeanine Broadway! I’m worried about Brandon and Evan pairing because they are so different. Something I did notice is that they both can nail backflips easily. Both are actually very strong and compact dancers. Despite the large difference in strength, Evan will make it up with his personality and facial expressions that Brandon usually lacks in his performances but I have no idea how that’s going to work other than broadway (which I was hoping for with Jeanine =( ).
So I guess things i wouldn’t mind seeing:
Kayla Brandon: Paso Doble
Kayla Evan: Lyrical Jazz
Jeanine Brandon: Contemporary or even Bollywood. (As much as I like the soft hip hop by Jeanine, I have a feeling Brandon will dance too hard and will lack connection with his partner.)
Jeanine Evan: BROADWAY or even west coast swing if they can pull that off without pulling their face too much (bring Benji back!) … but I have a feeling it might be some waltz or if Evan can just keep his frame straight)
Brandon Evan: hmm…not sure yet. Broadway is the only thing i can think of that’s broad enough (no pun intended) to incorporate their strengths
Jeanine and Kayla: Hip hop might be interesting here and Contemporary would be battle of technique and strength. (This pairing makes me worried for Jeanine because I feel like Kayla could definitely outdance her depending on the choreography. If this was a Wade Robson routine, it would take both acting and skill to make it a great piece where I think Jeanine might outshine Kayla. It’s just whether or not their connection with each other and to the audience will be achieved)
Top 4 dance: Something with a lot of power. I have a feeling these are amongst the Strongest dancers we’ve had. Chuck full of muscles from top 6 and down.
What kind of routines do you guys predict or want to see? =)
So I’ve heard a rumour that the winner of the Australian SYTYCD will be performing on the show. Does anyone else find that really strange? I’ve never watched the Aussie version and I’m sure their dancers are very good but this biased Canuck is wondering what about your Northern neighbours? Shouldn’t there be a Nico appearance then? Or even better, how about a Nico/Allie duet?
Chelsea,
It’s not a rumor. It’s true that Talia will be performing on SYTYCD in the finale. Seems a little odd to me. Why the finale?
Anyway, I would love to see Allie dance again, so I’d be all for a Nico/Allie duet. Allie is still my favorite SYTYCD ballerina (sorry Melissa).
John, if I ever make it on the show, I’d give you a shout out.
Of course, that would involve actually trying out for the show, which would never happen. Lol!
But it’s the thought that counts, right?
You’re so sweet beth. It is the thought that counts. Why wouldn’t you try out for the show? Imagine you’ll also have all of Pure SYTYCD behind you.
I’m getting too old! Lol
Seriously I haven’t danced consistently or competitively in years and years. Unless dancing in the basement counts, of course! But man, if they had this show 5 or 10 years ago? Heck yeah. Lol!
Oh come on Beth. Is Ryan Kasprzak too old? How about you post a video of you dancing in the basement and we’ll let Pure SYTYCD be the judge for you:-)
I REALLY wish I could watch Australia or Canada SYTYCD. How amazing would it be if Fox could syndicate the other SYTYCD, so the season lasts all through the cold months? Fall is SYTYCD Australia, winter is Canada, spring is USA? I think I would just about die with happiness. On that note…how do you guys know about the other SYTYCDs?
Stephanie – you CAN watch those shows. if you dont mind getting your computer in the gray side of the law. just got to mininova.org, and do a search for “so you think you can dance”, and they put the australian versions and more. you can even get past seasons of the american ones
if you do this, and never did peer to peer, i would recomend you use “utorrent”, and before downloading anything through utorrent, download and run “peer guardian 2”, which helps keep you anonimity on the web while you tread the gray side of the law.
Stephanie,
There are a number of ways to see them online. Gabriel mentions one of them. Although, I can’t attest to the legality of it as Gabriel mentions. There is a lot of junk on that site as well and you can get viruses, etc if you’re not careful. You can also find a bunch of it on YouTube, MySpace, etc but they sometimes get taken down. Basically, if you’re persistent enough you can often find it online.
Too bad Nigel has made it clear that getting the rights to the music prohibits the selling of the DVDs.
I’m Canadian so we get that show, but Australia I know about because people tend to post video clips in SYTYCD threads that I read on various forums, esp. idolforums. The choreography for the Australian show does look fantastic from the few videos I’ve seen. I think many of the Australian dances are on youtube or otherwise, although I haven’t really hunted them down. Unfortunately not so for the Canadian show. There are a lot of amateur shots of the tour dances though.
I would recommend this site, which has many vids of the performances though. Forgive me John if we’re not allowed to post links, I wasn’t sure.
http://sytycdfans.com/
For the Canadian show you’re better off just watching the performances and not our usually annoying judging panel and, even worse, our terrible host, a muchmusic VJ.
Chelsea Rae,
I’ll remember that you’ve been cheating on me.
Just kidding, I’m cool with useful links. Spam links and what not I remove, but I’m happy to share the link love where appropriate.
Also, I should say I saw the entire first season of Canada on YouTube. They are just sometimes hard to find.
Bleeding Love – that was my favourite piece from last year. I thought Chelsie and Mark were really hitting it hard last Thursday.
Katie and Twitch also killed their routine.I liked how she threw off his hand when taking their bow.
However, should the producers have gotten them new props? The briefcase was destroyed from the hinge side, and I was expecting the prop doorway to just break apart.
I agree with those posters who said that last Thursday night was what the 100th episode should have been – full of amazing dancing. It would be cool to have crews like Quest Crew and The Beat Freaks appear on the show.
Chelsea Rae, seeing Nico/Allie again would be great. I remember on the Canadian tour how loud the fans in the stands cheered whenever Nico took the stage.
Gabriel, I hope Ryan makes it to the Top Ten next year. I agree, I disliked the “one or the other” thing. Ryan’s choreography is so neat. Heck, they should just hire the dude as a choreographer already.
I hope they get good choreography for the girls’ duo piece next week. Maybe, like last week w/ Sonya, they should get the same choreographer to do both the boys and the girls?
Jeanine FTW!
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DaveV,
I think that Nigel would have probably hired Ryan to choreograph. However, Nigel said that if they did have him choreograph, then he would be an employee of Fox and not eligible to compete next season.
As I’ve mentioned before, Evan is likeable, goofy, and brilliant at his own genre – but let’s face it, he struggles as a partner and in other dances. As much as I like him, I can’t bring myself to vote for someone who clearly isn’t the most talented ‘all around’ dancer. If it becomes a popularity contest, it diminishes the amazing dancing talents that make us tune in week after week.
“If it becomes a popularity contest, it diminishes the amazing dancing talents that make us tune in week after week.”
Shaelene —- thank you.
But Shaelene, just because Evan may not have the strengths that Brandon has, doesn’t mean he doesn’t excel in other areas that ARE related to his dancing, which ALSO makes his dancing something that I certainly tune in to watch every week. To each his own. I’d much rather watch Evan dance than Brandon. I don’t know why, I just dig the style he’s got. That doesn’t make it a “popularity contest,” it doesn’t mean I’m voting on things that aren’t based on his dancing, it means I prefer him to Brandon, or Jeanine, or Kayla. I’m sure it’s quite the same with most of Evan’s other fans.
I already miss Ade.
I love Evan doing his shtick, but it’s always the same. He danced so well with Randy, but he looks so awkward with almost everyone else. As he doesn’t have the strenght to do lifts, his partners can’t trust him. After all, many of these lifts could be dangerous if the man drops the woman.
I love Jeanine, but Brandon really should win. His moves are phenomenal, he can put any personality required into the routine, he’s a perfectionist, he’s stong, and he’s a sweetheart. Plus, he really took it on the chin with Mia and Lil C, and he worked hard to prove them wrong, which he did, almost immediately. I hope it’s Brandon, Jeanine, Kayla, and Evan.
“he [Brandon] can put any personality required into the routine”
Seriously? I have yet to see him do a dance with much personality. He puts in the technical work, but his biggest knock is the lack of personality. I still think Mia and Lil C feel more or less the same way about him.
John-
I guess I’m shocked that people don’t think Brandon has any personality. In his dances he always takes on the persona and I believe it! When he and Janette did that Dave Scott hip hop routine I was sure he would suck! I never thought he could bring it hard like that. I am more and more amazed by how we can all be watching the same show with such different reactions. I think Brandon is screwed cause he’s been great from Day 1 so fans don’t get to see such overt growth in him the way we saw it in other dancers. I think its a shame because to me he is sweet, kind, wonderful, AND beautiful to watch.
I am pleased with the top four; however, I also miss Janette. I like Brandon but he does seem to miss the combination of personality and dance that Evan seems to contain. Brandon does seem like a nice guy with a large heart. It takes all types of personalities to make the world go round and I just prefer someone with a more outgoing comic personality. Remember when people say that Brandon’s personality is not quite as likeable as Evans that it is just a personal preference. Also, yes Ade was a very talented dancer but just not my favorite. Sorry… The show is designed to find America’s favorite dancer not just the most technically skilled dancer. However, having said all of that I really like Jeanine. She has personality, skill and all heart.